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Spit it out Mike!!!

Martin Ayers wrote:


That's something that really needs to be explained. It's just against any laws of physic and geometry.

Slippery grips maybe ?

Drew Art wrote:


Does that mean you're into putting a few dollars into a MAN's g-string when you want something from HIM? ...peace man...

It also fits in into the "it's easy to see if you know where to look"...

Michael...I don't really hold much 'stock' in the term 'pattern'. What I do know is that by the time you deliver the club you can turn your hand 'down' and it will slow the rate of closure due to the different directions things are traveling.

If you want to talk in riddles feel free....it works for some. I would rather just speak plainly myself.

I agree. But if that "down" action by hands remains constant, how would you "adjust" the rate of closure?

Can somebody post a picture or still video of any player ever that is similar to that unique finish or end of follow-thru of Hogan? What do you see that's unique in Hogan's end followthru position?

michaelgb888 wrote:


The extra cleat on the visible sole of Hogan's right shoe?

michaelgb888 wrote:


Oh, it's obvious. The airborne ball flying directly at Hogan's target.

michaelgb888 wrote:


Your stage show is an old one, and the routine doesn't do much to excite me.

michaelgb888 wrote:


Hi Michaelgb888,

I don't ever see patterns and agree with Mr. Ayers. Just as Hogan says, never groove a waggle because every shot is different.

However, I do see chain reactions and a preset grip that works in harmony with what the implement requires to square the face.

If you want open or closed, I guess it all depends if you want to hammer it, or screw it. Mostly I just hit balls and watch what the ball does and listen to what the club says, but I will stay tuned regardless.


Good Luck and Keep Diggin

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Would be cool to see the best example of each swing method.

DOCF
S&T
MORAD
TGM
and any others too

And when I say "best," I mean based on the definition. I would logically think that the best version would be from its inventor.

So, now, who invented each of these methods? And, what is Hogan's method called??

If you were walking down a crowded driving range, and you stopped and watched each guy swing a few times, you could say, "oh yea, he is a S&T'er" or "yep, he is a DOCF'er." What if you saw a guy doing Hogan......what would you call it?

Michaelgb888,

Here, at about 1;26, you will see Hogan's 3 right hands. All supinating, cupping, scooping, palmar flexion, hammering, screwing, or just about any other description you might care to use to describe how Hogan delivers the hit.



Now remember, the left hand and wrist squares the club. It is like a dial and pointer all in one.

That is the easy part. Now make it all work. The key word here is, "work". No substitute, no short cuts, no secrets. That is what I have learned here.

Still waiting though.

Mark, 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24 wrote:


Lol. Mark, I never noticed that at 1:26. Hmmmmmm, this would be a great "perspective" test. There needs to be a poll that asks "based on Hogan's body language in said video at the 1:26 timestamp, what do you think he is discussing?"

I'm going with this one: He is telling the guys on the range that he went on a picnic one day......"Well, it was hot out there and I got real thirsty, but my canteen was stuck, so I just wandered right over to the stream and scooped some water up into my mouth with my right hand. It was so dang good that I ended up drinkin three handfulls of it. But my wife said I was crazy for drinkin from a dirty stream. I told her that don't worry honey, I know tough things!"

ROLFFLOL! sorry.....just had to have some fun with that one.

Note to self: I've been in this basement too long. I need green grass!

Anthony

Ben Hogan Swing Project wrote:


Or......

One of the guys next to him on the range said that he took a trip to the beach last weekend, but just couldn't make a sandcastle. Then Hogan says "no, no, no......you were doin it all wrong, ya bozo. All you gotta do is scoop some motherbluffin sand like this, like I'm doing with my right hand, but make sure it's kind of wet, then just start your sandcastle like that."

LOL!

Hmm, Maybe my wife is right when she tells me "you need to get a life."

Anthony

Ben Hogan Swing Project wrote:


Or.........

One of the reporters asks Hogan about the "three right hands rumor." And Hogan responds with "buddy, can't you see I'm trying to work on my game here! Some people have to win tournaments to pay the bills instead of asking silly questions all day. Ok, you want three right hands?? [then does the movement at 1:26 mark] There's your 3 right hands. Now beat it kid!"

Lol. Ok, sorry guys...... i've amused myself enough here. I'm putting my straight-jacket back on and heading back into the asylum.

Ben Hogan Swing Project wrote:


BHSP,

A lot can be learned in the basement. Enjoy.



Good Luck and Keep Diggin

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Honestly I´don´t think that the 1.26 is what one should lern in that video, but thats just my two cents and I really would like to read the continuing, whether or not we are goining to be enlightened by Michaelgb888.

I belive that one have to be open minded if we are going to find the Ben Hogan swing.

Kind
Joachim

1lovegolf24 wrote:


Well Mark and I discussed this awhile back and my feeling is still the same.

First, what type of question was most likely to be asked from a fan there? Well when watching this footage- which happens to be my favorite- I'm struck by the pure balance in which hogan swung. So if it were me, I would have asked, "Mr. Hogan, how is it that you are perfectly balanced during your swing?"

To which he replies at 1:26

Mr. Hogan- "Here's my weight shift";

First hand motion is a slight bump to the left..... (trigger)
Hand rocks back to the right ......(backswing to the top)
Hand rocks back to the left......(transiton topple over)
Hand rocks back to the right .....(sit down on downswing)
Hand rocks left .......(downswing thru the ball)
Hand continues all the way left .......(Follow thru)

Teetering on the edge of imbalance leads to perfect balance.....just IMO

1lovegolf24 wrote:


That is a peculiar motion. I suspect he's simulating the action of a divot, as if his hand were the head of the club and the leading edge were scything turf. Prior to impact the club-head would feel like a straight edge, then (at impact) the sensation changes from club-head to divot, which feels more like that elevating action--of getting into and under the ball, having it rise on the club-face, as if in the cup of your hand, out of the dirt, so to speak.

Keern wrote:


Hi Keern,

I am going to have to agree with you. The club face must do exactly what the hand does. Now, how does one bring that motion into the ball? Or more importantly, how does one balance that motion?

Love to hear your thoughts on this.

Thanks Keern.

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Naaah. So near, yet so far away....

If that is correct, the left wrist would have to pronate then flip at impact. That's is the exact opposite of what Hogan said in 5Lessons.

I think that motion would fit in more with the right hand and wrist action from the top, not impact. What do you think Martin?

michaelgb888 wrote:


So what is it then Mike?