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Jerry Starks wrote:


IMO...A formal public apology at the very least PJ....Martin is not cut from that cloth.

JuNiOR

JuNiOR wrote:


You just hang tight Junior. That mea culpa will be coming shortly.


For those of us who can manage to put internet golf fora in perspective with, say, real life, M has messaged me saying that it's not him. Ok. I'll go with that. The buzzwords, motivation, timing and location are awfully coincidental, but I'll go with that.

@MoeHogan

As far as what I feel in transition, we are all told to arrive at delivery with the right palm facing the sky. That didn't do it for me...so I am pointing both my thumbs to the ground. I don't think it matters what you focus on but the key is to open it up in relation to the body. And it has to be sequenced properly with the body action. When they are synced up correctly, the lay off move energizes the hands.

John made this comment about that swing...so I think he sees what I feel.

Wonderful stuff there...

Much tighter and aggressive, more powerful and controlled than before.

He teaches this layoff move in his elective SS module. The feelings I have developed are mine, however, but really that arrow from the quiver is pretty good. There really is nothing new as far as the golf swing...it is just a matter of finding a way to feel your way to achieve these dynamics for yourself.

moehogan wrote:


Good Stuff Moe .

Diz

Grady Dickens wrote:


Well said!

Grady Dickens wrote:



Grady,

How many modules do you have left? ,Im sure ABS is liking the exposure you bring to the Hogan thread.


Diz

SVSV, here's the gif you were after -

Rare footage of Hogan hitting golfballs on the moon. Much like Chuck Norris, Hogan required no space suit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoTRy4H0Ur0

phily wrote:


Thank you very much Phily. Thank you very much.

Bob wrote:


Hmmmm....P4 to P5...transition... Artificial lay-off? Lack of L side extension? Lack of R side bend?

I think Grady is more into pressuring down the R leg/foot at that stage (Grady?)

C'mon, spill it out so we learn...

moehogan wrote:


I think Schlee's world class move is pretty much late...I think it should be done much earlier, and with the 2 middle fingers of the R hand...

As to the R hand/palm, I think Schlee is right on...the R wrist is being kept bent all the way and moves like wiping the floor with his R palm while at the same time the R wrist is bent...

phily wrote:


@Grady, look at Hogan's R knee in this excellent GIF by Phily, the R knee is "collapsing"...it ain't catching pressure...it is losing pressure...

SVSV,

I took a look at my right leg and this Hogan GIF and I find them identical. Watch the way the ankle compresses into the ground and the foot stay relatively down through impact and then and only then does the heel work off the ground in earnest. Also note the direction of the movement ...out toward right field..not toward the left leg. Leg action is something I have worked hard on...I could be wrong...but I strongly feel right about this.

If you are under the impression I am holding weight on my right foot deep into the DS then I have not communicated well. I see and feel an extension and left and back move with the left hip, while holding in the right leg. The extension gives me that squat feel and that riding cowboy look (arch) that Festus talks about. From delivery the right side is coming.

Grady Dickens wrote:


I see. What do you mean holding on the R leg? Can you provide more details?

If my count is correct, frame 9 has the pressure going down into the knee coinciding with the vector change up top. Hard to vector change backward, and lose pressure at the same time. I think he actually stays on it longer than just frame 9. It looks to me like maybe frames 9 through 11, or something like that.....the foot holding and the knee working with the pivot.

What's more informative to me is from address to frame one: tush line setting down and behind, getting lower, more space between hands and body- creating an inside path within the first inch.

Grady...good stab at the cup and saucer. I'll send you a PM with some more meat on the subject within the next couple days.

Just sayin' is all

SVSV,

BTW, I have always loved that "amazing grace" hogan video. Nice to have pop up at this time given the folly on this site in another thread. You also really see the Schlee comment of the right hand wiping the ground in this video. His swing isn't near as dynamic here at this stage of his life. Probably is much less concerned about a hook. What he has lost in dynamics he has gained in fluidility and grace. I am guessing Hogan is in his mid-60s here. Anyone know for sure?

Festus wrote:


Yeah, nice catch on the tush line thing...I think he really wants the weight on the heels as on the back of the heels as possible...he needs it for counter-balance later on in the DS thru impact...

I think if we would analyze what makes DJ's swing tick given his uber bowed L wrist on top, we might be able to better understand the underlying principles in Hogan's swing...

I have mentioned this before SVSV, and you were instrumental in the discovery, but when feel that extension on the left side I feel a counter reaction pushing back to my right foot...the push back is on a diagonal from left behind me to right more in front of me. I have just kind of "gone with it". Once I get to delivery and initiate my "hit" everything moves with a past the ball intention.

I don't think that was Dustin's best effort off 7 tee. A bit late there...he hit the dreaded right to right. Let us know what we can learn Hogan related from Dustin. In my view the differences in grip (Dustin strong/Hogan weak) and left wrist (Dustin bowed/Hogan cupped) make comparison inappropriate.

Grady Dickens wrote:


Yes, that's where I'm coming from on my comment re you pressuring down the R foot. As I said before when you first mentioned that, I think there's still insufficient L side extension. However, I think if you consciously do that, you'll hit the ground or have a clubhead path that's way under plane (as pointed out by Bob earlier...hmmmm...who is he...). So you sorta compensate by trying to "sauce the cup" and stand up/hump/back out the thorax (hmmmm...Bob who are you?..and you also used P4/P5 terminology...hmmm..)...

Grady Dickens wrote:


I think it's based on same core principles...DJ's über bowed L wrist just necessitated a more upright L arm swing in BS and a shoulder turn aiming bit right for his draws face as "compensations". But the shoulder turn being vertical/upright made it for him to have a straighter baseline/clubhead path, just like Hogan.

Now I understand what you meant by saucing the cup. Thanks SVSV. Never heard that one. Good catch to see that Festus, you see that a lot in that Shell Hogan video. I think that comes from my feeling impact with my right pec. John has a name for it as well. I wasn't trying to do it. I guess Chi Chi spills the entire cup!

Stephen Vicente S. Vincenzo wrote:



Evidence that you are not hogan between P4- P5 ish .... I dont want give it all away...LOL


Bob

Grady,

I will be playing in Dallas in June for several days with the Nunchuk CEO and President, Bryan Nicholson , Pro at Northwoods and the most knowledgable Gerry Hogan Pro in the USA. If you want to learn something special and rid yourself of all the guesswork, let me know.

Regards,

Lane

( a small note regarding that gif if it means anything, other than cleaning individual frames up a bit I try not to ever 'distort' them. In this case though his right pant leg 'begins' to raise one to two frames earlier in the video than shown in the gif - but to expedite working with a difficult video I let it slide).