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Squints Palledorous wrote:

What motivation PJ? Why would I need to suddenly create an alter ego and make a bunch of asinine snipes at folks? I have always called it how I see it. You either consider me someone who wouldn't flat out lie to you or not...

M,

I outlined that in our messaging in order to keep it off the board. As I said to you in the PM, the motivation would be the ability to post without the baggage associated with being an instructor and inventor of a method.

You say it's not you. Ok. I'll go with that. The other reasons I outlined in that message still give me pause, as do the actions or lack thereof of others since I made that post.

Trust, but verify. Like you, I call it how I see and don't pull punches. Feel free to return my message and we'll talk off the board.

Phily, what does "gif" stand for? Can't get enough of them, thank you. For some reason that seems magical and mystical I pick up more clues with your "gif" productions than with still photos and video. Anyway, thanks again you are a big help in this long journey.

Hey Bob...maybe you should talk and tell us the deal...prove to us you are NOT Martin and settle this once and for all...

How do you think Hogan did it...if that's too broad...how do you think Grady differs from Hogan in between that P4 to P5 positions?

You asked before if I'm into HH, DHH, swinging left, etc....what's your thing? Slowing down the pivot to release the clubhead with a whip like effect? C'mon...open up..

Frank McChrystal wrote:


GIF=Graphic Interchange Format

Im not Martin I believe in different theory more inline release and different plane, I was just observing his strong right hand grip and steeper shaft angle in transition ... thats all ,I thought it would help ,since he puts his swing up every week...dont get your panties in bunch,geeez sensitive .............

Bob

Bob wrote:


Lol... Dammit...we have EXACTLY the same opinion...

@Grady, ain't that what I've been telling you all along?

@Bob, what your method to achieve that inline release? Weaker R hand, weak L hand, and the L wrist position at address, right?

Edit: Oh...and the vertical shoulder turn to get it more inline, right?

Stephen Vicente S. Vincenzo wrote:



Hogan peeps take to much stock into old hogan photos ,hes inline... hes also not gay like that clown said in another thread....

Bob

Frank McChrystal wrote:

Like SVSV posted - Graphics Interchange Format. It uses a dot matrix format limited to up to 256 colors and lossless compression. It's as old as the hills, around before most folks owned a pc - late 80's apparently. It's great for simple graphics and animations because of the file size and widespread acceptance over the web from the beginning.

it surprises me too how our brains are sympathetic to watching a motion repeated over and over. we seem to feel the motions ourselves, maybe even wiring new neural connections.

SVS
If you don't mind could you define 'inline?' I am not up on that terminology. Thanks.
Grady
If you don't mind commenting would you say you transition "softly?"
Thanks in advance gents...

Bob wrote:


He's gay for golf.

Bob wrote:


Yes, he's inline...mainly due to his more upright/vertical shoulder pivot and L wrist position/condition/action...

What thread is that?

Steve P wrote:


To me inline means the baseline or clubhead path at impact zone is straight or parallel to the targetline..."in-line" with the targetline...

Steve P,

I am. Not sure what you mean by transition "softly.". Perhaps you can elaborate. I certainly don't want to be jerky in transition. In ABS there are two ways to transition. The basic method is the "freeride" which has been described many times. The elective method is Superslotting, which is very active...nothing "free" about it. The later creates a lot more pressure in the hands, but the "look" should still be gradual acceleration.

Squints Palledorous wrote:


In order....it could have been verify then make statement....

I have no baggage, no need to hide myself. If I choose NOT to comment, it's because I feel I have said it already....case in point Hogan set up chapter 2 thread.

There's a lot of things that people see and take from the motion of Hogan or others and ascribe 'action' to, that I believe is 'reaction' (or they are flat out making shit up to fit their point of view)...I'm not going to sit here and argue their points, point for point , and try to denigrate their point of view.

I still don't see why you have 'pause'....I would have thought my word that I'm not Bob would be sufficient...along with my history.

moehogan wrote:



Moe I was watching one of Kelvins rate of closure videos and it got me thinking about the opposing hands you talk about . I noticed the face on one of his students was all over the place from rolling the righthand/forearm. have you seen those videos ?


Diz

Grady Dickens wrote:


I guess by softly I mean hands and arms...The best description I could give would be that beginning in BS there's a twist of the hands (forearm rotation)nd inward pull of the hands and the
club head is being directed towards the ground off to the right.
The 'softly' would be the hands during this time and through until the shaft is down near delivery point. It seems like with educated hands and gentle pressures the swing can be very effortless.
I am just curious if anyone can relate to the soft hands idea. I was playing with that feel on the range of gently slowly flipping the clubhead off to my right and very gently bringing it into the delivery position it worked very very well for me. Like swinging in slow motion.
For me prior to this I have tried to actively pull the ch down with my right hand in transition decent results but nothing like this soft hands shaft layoff hands close to me deal...
Curious if anyone relates...

Martin Ayers wrote:


Martin, as I described to you in the PM, baggage isn't the best choice of words, and as I said in the PM, I mean no ill by it. To put it in clearer context, if I were to visit a rival college football's bbs as a rival, everything I would say would be viewed in that context no matter how benign the statement. The same applies to you as an instructor and inventor of a method.

In hindsight, I could have asked you first, but that would have been pointless if it were in fact you. Trust, but verify is a perfectly normal mode of operation. In fact, it's the status quo in my career.

For the third time, you say that's not you. Ok. I'll go with that. Perhaps you can send me your best guess in a PM since you have an idea.

BTW, I'm far from the only person who reached that conclusion. Less than10, but certainly more than two.

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Steve P wrote:


Why not just make the plane vertical-ish or more upright, so that when you transition it just gets down vertical-ish as well...without any effort...just gravity...makes the baseline easier to keep straight as well...if you want more clubhead speed, just turn your shoulders faster...

Stephen Vicente S. Vincenzo wrote:


I think hands and clubhead deep and shallow entry is easier.
Upright feel leads me to backed up shaft poor contact flippiness personally.
The clubhead lags behind the body and the shoulder rotation is quite slow in feel in a flatter move.
SVS I am of the opinion flatter and deeper is way easier more powerful and accurate.
Hogan said biggest error is rotating shoulders before lower body.

Phily could I ask your assistance with your world class GIFs again? Could you put up my most recent swing from a point at delivery (hands at right hip) to the point post impact when the club reappears from behind my body. I want to try and articulate an intention I have had for a long time and achieved in this swing. It will help to have it right in front of everyone. On the road so I may not get around to posting again until this evening.

Stephen Vicente S. Vincenzo wrote:




I agree with pretty much everything you have said ,I am a tgm diehard ,I love Ben doyle and old guys.... Do you prescribe to a flat perpendiculish left hand at address to make this happen? I am just not sold on the swing left the Abs guys talk about on here but we all have our theories...LOL

Grady has a nice advanced move though ...

Bob

Vincenzo,

Could you illustrate, using any two golfers, the difference between vertical and upright shoulders? I have a picture in my mind, but I am not exactly sure.
Thanks

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Squints Palledorous wrote:


The other reasons I outlined in that message still give me pause, as do the actions or lack thereof of others since I made that post

BTW, I'm far from the only person who reached that conclusion. Less than10, but certainly more than two

For the third time, you say that's not you. Ok

Of course Martin is still defending himself because you say Ok then add but!!!!!!!!!

Either you believe Martin or not. No disclaimers needed

Historically there have been heated discussion between different instructors/inventors of methods. Including LeeC, Darius, Martin, Bradley, Mike M and even John Erickson for a short time. Martin has been right in the middle of several of these discussions as Martin Ayers(green arm). It makes no sense that he would suddenly start posting as Bob after all this time. That's my opinion and certainly you are entitled to yours