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This one time this guy named Doug saw this other guy's swing and he was like, "What are you doing with your left leg it looks like it's stuck in concrete or something."

Then the guy with the concrete leg tried to keep his left leg flexed through impact and he stopped topping the ball and started hitting every single shot way better. And he might have looked like Elk sometimes on his finish which is a good thing. He hit every single club in his bag 100% better. His shots FELT great and SOUNDED awesome.

This one time this guy named Doug saw this other guy's swing and he was like, "What are you doing with your left leg it looks like it's stuck in concrete or something."

Then the guy with the concrete leg tried to keep his left leg flexed through impact and he stopped topping the ball and started hitting every single shot way better. And he might have looked like Elk sometimes on his finish which is a good thing. He hit every single club in his bag 100% better. His shots FELT great and SOUNDED awesome.

Awesome, Kenan. What do you think the center of your brain would find pleasing? The SOUND of a great shot, The FEEL...relaxed, smooth, and efficient...of a great shot, The SIGHT of a great shot...matches your intention, divot, ball flight, roll, and stop at your target, The BELIEF...that you have the knowledge and talent to do it, and LOVE...putting all of your beautiful energy out there so that everyone including your self can hear, feel, see, and believe it. Spread the love, Kenan. Spread the love, Kenan. Spread the love, Kenan. Go for it. It is all you.
Thanks,
Doug
that you hit a great shotkenan wrote:

BHSP,
You know where to find me. Tony figured it out so you can ask him what he thinks if you do not believe in me.
Thanks,
Rock
Doug Burke wrote:

Id like to make a stab at Rock if you dont mind,disregard if it not helpful,what i see,is you intiating DS,transition with lowerbody,previous swings looked like gravity falls,might not be what you are feeling,but in this swing looks like your lower body gives you the free ride instead of gravity

BHSP,
What are you after?
Thanks,
Doug
Ben Hogan Swing Project wrote:


My swing rebuild project is "a basic test of observational learning. Is it possible to teach the body to do an entirely unknown movement using video analysis and repetitive training? How close can I come to Hogan’s golf swing?"

It is a thesis. I'm after the Hogan swing. From tee-up, to step-away, to step-in, to waggle, to forward press, to full swing, to finish.

And I always have to add a disclaimer that ball flight, trajectory, sound, scoring, draw or fade are not part of the project. Only goal on scoring is to shoot in the 90's ffom the white tees, and maybe play on the Golf Channel AM Tour in the Snead flight.

Doug Burke wrote:

BHSP,
If you believe it is possible, then it is possible. However, you have very poor goals. Why would you work on a swing and not tie that swing to a result. Why even hit a golf ball if all you care about is to copy someone else's movements and not the ball flight? It would save you a lot of money to reach your goal. You then say you want to break 100 and play in the Snead Flight on GCAT. Anyone can play in the Snead flight on the GCAT so anyone can attain that goal...why didn't you say my goal is to have a pulse if you want to set the bar so low that you have already attained it by being alive. How are you going to break 100 if you are only working on your swing and do not tie that to a result...with how you are directing your self with copying Hogan's every movement there is no correlation to any result so it is pure happen stance if you achieve that scoring goal. As I said, you have very poor goals. I could go on, but I will not. Please do not contact me if that is your goal. I have more important things to do with my time than to waste it with someone who has such a very poor goal. I wish you the best though.
Thanks,
Doug
Ben Hogan Swing Project wrote:


Understood Sir. Will definitely not be contacting you; I don't want to distract you from your personal goal. Hmmmm, very interesting take you have on somebody elses "personal" goal. It appears you have a cool rating system. Wonder how I could move from the "very poor" rating to "acceptable to contact Doug" rating.

Rock Response: Your decision. As I will not waste my time helping someone with a goal to make every movement like Ben Hogan. I am not interested in teaching you to do that. I have to want to teach you for me to help you. Not interested as long as your goal remains that.

I am very respectful in regards to everyone's personal golfing goal, whether it be to score lower, or hit the ball farther, or decrease their putting avg, or whatever. You will never hear me say anything negative about anybody's game or swing, even if it isn't in line with my thinking/methodology/beliefs.

Rock Response: I was respectful. I wished you the best. I said you could reach your goal...please leave me out of it.

The more feedback I get on this, the more eye-opening it is that many, many, many people want to somehow "force" their goal or thinking or way of life on everyone else. Ask around and find out everyone's golfing goal...or even life goal....it may not be in line with what you are doing.

Rock Response: I am not trying to force you to do anything. I am telling you I am not interested in what you are doing and want no part of it.

Examples:
75 year old man plays golf because his doctor told him it would help with his triple bypass exercise program. He shoots in the 130's, and 6- putts every other green.

Rock Response: Great. He is getting exercise and playing recreationally. If he wanted my help to 5 putt, then I could help him do that.

18 year old man plays golf because he has a very intense ego, and needs to define himself to fit in with his peers. His only goal is either to hit the ball 300yards, or outdrive all his playing partners....whichever is longer. He shoots in the 90's, but could go a lot lower if he put the driver down and focused on shot location rather than the Remax challenge.

Rock Response: I would not help him. Hitting the ball long is not a goal I concur with and I would not want to waste my time teaching that.

44 year old woman plays golf because she gets to spend time with her husband. She has played with him for the past 25 years, but shoots in the 100's because she refuses to take lessons.

Rock Response: Sounds like she is a recreational golfer and is not interested in having a teacher. Another pointless example just like your goal.

My question to you....which one of these is right? Which one of these is wrong? In my opinion, there is no right or wrong lol.....

Rock Response: Agreed. Everyone has their own free will in what they do. I can only teach people who want to learn. I have to understand their goal and believe I can help them achieve that goal. If I do not belive that, I will not waste my time or their time...that is what you call respecting my self and others.

You could probably sit back and tell each person how to score lower and how to hit it more solidly, if that is your ultimate goal. If you are into into "Defining" what those people"should" be doing, then you have issues my friend. Someday you will accept that what your goals are may not be in line with the rest of the world.

Rock Response: You do not know me. I will help people reach their goal as I stated.

In Doug's rating system, how would the 75-year old man, or 18-year old man, or 44-year old woman be tagged. Which ones would be very poor, or poor, or ok, or so-so, or too aggressive, or overboard, or just right?

Rock Response: You are missing the point entirely. I am not rating anyone. I am making a decision on what I will do. Your post explains further why I would not teach you. I already spent more time than I should have with you.

Hi Rock,

Good to see you still grinding on your swing. What are your goals or areas of your swing that you are trying to improve? Such as more power and distance, accuracy, etc.
This has nothing to do with the BHSP exchange, I was just wondering what your ultimate goal was and have you gotten any closer, with all the experiments you have tried?
To be honest, and because I have tried many paths and experimented more than I care to say, anything that does not feel natural, has not worked for me.
I must be set in my ways, but I thought I wouls ask.

Thanks

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Mark,
My goals remain the same...to play on the Champion's tour and be a great teacher. Everything I do is in line with those goals. As I said earlier, I do not have the funding or a sponsor to play on the Champion's tour so that goal is fading...believe I am prepared to climb that mountain if I had an opportunity to go for it and keep all my other life priorities intact. I am more focused on learning about the swing so I can teach it better at this point. I am not grinding on my swing...love what I am doing. I am getting closer to reaching my goals...Tony visited me and Kenan is doing well so that is tangible progress that I am becoming a better teacher. I am also helping several guys at my club as well as several folks remotely so that is progress on where I was at this time last year. On your natural idea, everything I can do feels natural to me. If I can do it, then it is natural...God gave me the ability to do it. If I can not do it, then it is not natural. I experiement with 100s of swings and the more I can do, the better I become at being using what God gave me.
Thanks,
Rock
1lovegolf24 wrote:

Rock,

Thnaks for the honest reply.

The more specicic question I should have asked is, all the videos and things you post on youtube, have they improved your swing or just the understanding of it?

Rock Response: Both. My swing and my understanding of it has improved. As I have stated before, the swing that everyone studies, analyzes, works on...is a segment of my overall process or sequence that I follow for every shot which starts at the center of my brain with my intention and ends when the ball reaches its destination. I repeat that process hopefully 54-72...par or less...times per round otherwise I have failed to reach my goal for that round.

Again, the reason I asked is, is getting better and reaching ones optimal swing more about experiments, such as you have been doing, or something else? I am interested in the process, as well as the progress and results you got, so that I, or others might follow and have similar sucess.

Rock Response: Yes, the experiments are an important aspect of figuring out what is optimal for your self. For example, if I want to find out what is the optimal way for me to hit a draw how would I approach that. I would tell my self that I need an inside-out swing geometry with a closed face relative to that at impact. There are hundred of ways that I could achieve that shot...flat backswing, flat downswing, upright backswing, flat downswing...could do it with how I move my wrists, could do it with how I move my shoulder joints, could do it with how I move my forearms...a swing adjustment....I could aim right with a closed face...setup adjustment...I could make swing and setup adjustments....I could have an intention and hit it. I go through every single option that I can think of in a series of experiments until I figure out what is optimum for me. I tie my actions to the results of those actions and determine what is optimum by that correlation. By going through that process, my mind is very open to any option and also allows me to be very creative on the golf course to figure out what is optimum for each shot for me...will likely not be for you. For example, if you are not 6'1" who can bench press 135 pounds, then you likely will not have the same options that I have physically. Your brain likely does not function like mine so that would also be another aspect that I would help you with to figure out what is optimum for you. I would work with someone to help them figure out what is optimum for them...physically, mentally, emotionally, ...I basically try to become you...to really know you...so I can help you...it is not about me...it is about you. By going through the optimization process my self, I have a lot of experience and expertise to help others if they believe how I improve my game will work for them. If they do not believe in me or the optimization process, then it would be a waste of my time and theirs to work together. I would not allow that to happen...respect my self and others more than that.
Thanks,
Rock

Thanks

Mark, 1lovegolf24

Doug Burke wrote:

Champions Tour...cool!!

What is a year's worth of funding like?
Rock Response: ~$250K depending on the terms and conditions.

Alan,
Yes, that sounds correct. Which swing to you think is optimum for me...gravity fall or lower body gravity fall.
Thanks,
Rock
alan wrote:

Dariusz,
Worked on a totally inertial (not active) rear side after bouncing from the rear wall and lead side leading the downswing this week in the house the last couple of days. Took it out on the range tonight to see how it worked. Felt good. Was taking an easy swing to get a feel for it. Didn't get my butt far enough across the line at the top of the backswing so I'll get after it this weekend. Please let me know if you see anything.
Thanks,
Rock

Rock, have another small gift to you -- two GIFs, one from your conscious rear foot vertical lift and the other from your rear side inertial action. Night and day, mate.





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