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Hi All

I purchased the most powerful move in golf video this week. Watched it twice took ideas to the range on Friday and wow it was amazing. I have not mastered it all yet and feel there is still more power and torque to be found on my down swing, but what I can say is that contact is much more consistent than normal. I hit the back swing position much more consistently and the downswing feels great. I turn and hit straight down. The pre-torque body positions has got rid of occasional fat and thin shot, my swing used to be a bit flat.

Was so confident I took it straight to the course today and shot a net 73 in the monthly medal in wet, cold, windy UK weather. Even in the wind I felt I had more control.

I do have an issue though that I have not managed to work out how to use it with a driver. As I say above I feel I hit down on the back of the ball with irons and contact is better than ever and good divot after ball. I do not want to feel the same with the driver. Can anyone give me a feeling I should be aiming for with the driver swing?

Thanks

Dan

Here's some footage of Martin hitting driver. Maybe you can see something in his setup or action that could help.



I'm no authority on this by any means but a strategy that has worked for me with the driver is to stay patient with my counterwinding.

The driver swing is so much longer in terms of time and length of the arc that I felt myself winding against it too quickly and running out of real estate as it were to continue that "counter winding" feeling through impact. So I do my best when I build up that opposition in my right arm slowly throughout the backswing and downswing and give myself "room" to keep winding the arms back through impact.

It's so alarming sometimes to put Martin's move on the driver. You're winding back and winding back and then it's just like POW! and you look up and the ball is somehow flying through the air even though you feel like you didn't even "hit" it. When your only intention is to counterwind away from the ball it's almost like a "non-hit" strike. The strike is an inevitable consequence of physics.

Check your ball position relative to your right leg/ right side and distance from the ball of your left heel. Play around with that a little....you should be able to have the same swing with your Driver as 5 iron.

Let me know if that helps/ changes anything.....congrats on the good round.

Thanks,

So should I not worry about feeling like I am hitting down (as you say at 49mins on the video), when using the driver. Should I just make sure that the ball is foward and allow the club to hit it on after it gets to the lowest point of the swing? I currently feel like I am trying to hit up on the ball with the driver.


I will try hitting a 5 iron and then a driver and repeat while playing with the ball position.

thanks I will try and be more patient wit the driver and trust it. I think this is the part I still have to improve on the irons as well to increase the power even more. Lots to do but even after a few days I know I am not going back to the old feeling.

Dan Carey wrote:

Dan on my current Driver 43.5", I hit fairly level...either side of level actually.....with my old 45" Driver I hit up about 3-4*. In both cases the feel is/was always that I was hitting the ball the same way.

Thanks again for the help and for responding to the posts. I will hit the range tomorrow and work on it.

I really think what you teach on your video is 'the something' I have always been looking for. It is already helping my irons and short game

Shame I cant putt like it

Martin Ayers wrote:



I have re-read your post and watched the video of your driver swing. It may just be the camera angle but it looks like the ball is quite central in your stance. I also note that the ball does not look teed up very high. I am currently playing the ball of my left foot teed up high. Would you recomend me trying to move the ball back towards the middle and tee it down. I understand I have to go find my best position but a hint may help with this.

It's maybe a bit of the camera angle or the fact that I had just got off the plane from Aussie and didn't know which way was up that day.

Left heel is a good baseline ball position....as I said, the distance your left heel from the ball is also important and something most people I find give less credence to....when in fact it's every bit as important.

Went one better today and hit a net 72.

I am occasional hitting hooks. I guess when I do this my arms change direction and uncoil foward rather than keep going back as a result it is getting handsy

I am getting more confident with the driver. I have been working on ball positoin as suggested and I am getting there. When it works it is great and but I am prone to a quick hook or a big high draw. I noticed that I was swaying more with my driver (trying to hit it too hard) so trying to keep my lower body more stable and just rotate.

I am sure you have answered this question many times, but can you please recommend a drill to help keeping the arms going back while body rotates foward and rotating rather than swaying.

Dan

^^These two drills will not only help you tighten up your rotation, but will do so with the club moving in opposition to the mass of your body which will help you get a feel for that as well....







^^This guy Christo makes some nice vids If you watch where his swing has come from to where it was with the Driver at the end of our second lesson there...you'll see a lot more 'hoot' in the swing and a more consistent delivery of that.....but his body wasn't clearing so it looks 'a little handsy'....I put these up because I think you may be, from your description, in a similar place to that and the guy is just flat out entertaining .

The drills I put up will help you take the next step from there in getting into position to use TMPMIG.
Cheers
Martin

very good stuff.always enjoy listening,watching you Martin

Thanks for the tip. Back from the range I found both the drills helped alot. I paticularly like the idea of keeping the right shoulder level. I feel I have a tendancy to drop the right shoulder at the ball (often when tired or not concentrating). I think dropping my right shoulder at the ball caused my left hip to move too far left (beyound foot) this flattend my swing and I guess I get stuck behind and I could only save it by standing up and using the hands.

I think the second drill is going to help with with this alot.

I had found Christo on Youtube, in fact it was his video of your first lesson with him that convinced me to buy your video . I love the line "my mind is blown" at the end of the first video. I have to agree with him.

Good stuff Dan...you certainly got the right idea with the drill. Ironically if you had the other problem, the most common one of OTT, it would keep your arms going away from the ball longer and the right shoulder would come down sooner. The only explanation I have for that is that the drill 'demands' balance of the swinging club.....and we are pretty good at balancing when put into situations that demand it of us.

Just wanted to give an update. Since working on my game using your videos (and the short game videos on this site), I have played 3 medal tournaments at my club (during June). Even though the weather conditions were difficult during all of these games I shot under my handicap in 2 of them. My handicap has been cut by 2 and I feel there is plenty of room for further improvement as I am still making a few stupid mistakes.

Thanks again for all your advice.

Great to hear Dan....congrats on your recent success.

hey all -

new to the most powerful move video. watched a couple of times, went to the range, and did a lot of spraying around the place.

background on me...was 10 handicap a long time ago, trying to get back into the game. left handed golfer, shooting high 90's @ best, on short courses. definitely lost what i had a long time ago, and want to get it back!

question #1: anyone in the san francisco bay area who'd be willing to help me to "get this?" i'm definitely in a real v feel dilemma.

question #2: when martin describes bringing the hand up the spine to the top, not really sure how to get this feeling to work when i've got the club in my hands.

i'm liking the feeling of connection with the lead arm and trying to take it away a little "closed" instead of immediately letting the hands roll open.

thx all!

Health warning - I am not an expert on this but I am just going to tell you what I feel, think about.

In my old back swing I used to feel like my right hand rotated clockwise (opened) as I took the club back. At some point (not consitent) I decided I had finished my back swing stopped and then started the downswing. As I felt I had rotated my hands open I thought I needed to close the club face by rotating them shut. Was not sure by how much each time or when. Combine this with a sway, dropping the club to far in side etc - I was very inconsistent. On a good day it went well but they were to few in a season.

In my new back swing things are different. I start by feeling my hands are moving slightly towards my right thigh (the club and shaft is still pointing at the ball). In reality it probably does not move in much it is just a way to start the club moving.

I then feel that my right palm stays pointing towards my body as the club swings to the top of back swing. It is hard to explain but the forearm rolls inwards. I must say that no one I have played with has commented on me having a weird back swing as It does look normal to them. I get to the top of my back swing a lot more consistently now as I know where it feels good.

The key thing now though is as I get close to the top of my back swing I start to rotate my lower body in the opposite direction (towards target) as my upperbody is finishing the back swing. In my mind my swing does not stop and change direction as it did in the past - it just keeps flowing. From this point on I do not think about the club at all I just keep rotating towards the target.

The upper body cant help but follow the lower body and there is a lot of power produced so I do not think about my hands and the club whips through ball. I feel I have taken my hands out of my swing. At first this made me concerned but it just works. I have removed the sway and I try and rotate shoulders level I used to dip towards ball. The swing is effortless now I dont feel like I am hitting at the ball anymore to get those extra yards.

I have gained consistency and distance and playing my best golf.

Not sure if this is any help.

Dan

To me MPMIG is a series of resistance and opposing forces from the ground to the hands. Opposing sides of the body and opposing what comes "naturally" in a swinging motion. Assuming I have my lower body resistance working properly the entire swing happens above my armpits. Focusing on the upper body...my feel is that the left arm (I am right handed) folds across my chest going back and tries real hard to rotate CW however the right arm is resisting just as hard to not let that happen. I keep that resistance and opposing force as long as I can ALL THE WAY throughout the swing. In reality, the left arm does win (and shallows out) as I turn my hips back to the target and I'm resisting the urge to roll everything CCW from there until forces demand it happen.

Although there is also resistance in the lower body I don't may much attention to it as I have preset my lower body parallel left (upper body parallel to target line) at address. That allows the lower left side to resist the lower right side. I preset even more left for shorter irons (upper body still parallel).