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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32486

Thankyou Anton... glad you could see a lightbulb go off and use it to effect.
Once we get around the fact that the golf swing happens in a 3D existance and is not only up & down but around also then the mystery of it all can begin to dissipate
The shaft entering from around and exiting around is the 3d perspective... simple really but hard for most because of the distorted view we have from looking down and out at the ball

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32494

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Bradley Hughes wrote:
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I have no idea....there has been so much talk about supination, pronation my head is dizzy.....when done with range of motion none of that really needs to thought of

Moe sums it up great in some of his videos and shows it in these still snaps from a video.... This is EXACTLY what he feels when he swings.....right palm up coming down and right palm up on the way through
May not look like that because of the forces of his motion but that is what he is feeling

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It may not seem it but in this picture here I am rotating my forearms open at transition start down as much as i can

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From front on view it looks like this.....the club gets behind (3D world)....while retaining wrist cock/ lag angle

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Give it the free ride (which is basically what is happening buy not 'forcing' the club down 'on plane')... but letting it get 'under plane'...shaft pointed outside the ball and you are more or less hitting out of your right pocket forcing the club onto plane where it matters ....into and through impact. The pressures release all the angles with the correct groundwork and body pressures.
The swing becomes something like Trevino and Knudson said....that they hit out of their right pocket..

Pocket to pocket........having no space into impact which gives you the opportunity to make space by getting 'around' and out of the way....by packing the arms, unrotating the forearms and wrists and then passing the baton off to the pivot to outrace from there so the arms stay connected and the club turns around with the motion....when done correctly and connected it all works....but you need to reprogram your system to get that spot and then know what to do with it with a lot of hard work, patience and perseverance.

Here is an ABS student....approx 10 months of work....doesn't get much better than this....shallow entry, rotation and turn on thru with ground work....BUT it doesn't just happen.... he stacks the cards in his deck by working, training his muscles so this becomes second nature and without a thought. You almost have to feel your swing is a foot in the total other direction to actually make it change about an inch....so there won't be any one trick wonders. Over time though it will alter once you do the work, maintain the pressures and become aware of the space needed to perform in

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To farther add
Hogan did not let the forearms ever outrace his pivot......or that was his definitive intention....and he kept his arms connected to his core to help with this......His left armpit was smashed with his upper left arm. he was hitting hard with both hands.....elbows felt in and turned outward all helping the urge to get away and roll

Most times his release looked like this

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Sometimes when he was hitting a draw or really ripping into one his arms would ever so slightly get away from him on the way thru and appear as if his foreams/hands rolled.....but that was rare

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The one thing you never saw was the club rolled over and turned down at finish point....unlike what happens so often today as shown in the right 3 pics.

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That's enough for this post.....guys on drill 1, 2 and 3 will know exactly what I am talking about and what is controlling the action.....and they won't be thinking pronation, supination..... they will be thinking internal pressures and connections that are the glue that allows it to all stick together.





BH,

In the Hogan comparsion pic your left arm looks deeper then hogans and his body is a shade more open?
my bad it must be the camera angle..



Diz
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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32505

Diz
I am doing a drill ... not hitting a shot.... so the mentality and look will be slightly different.
The idea of posting those pics was to show how severe I am feeling something and how unsevere it actually looks

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32507

@Bradley, you said "It may not seem it but in this picture here I am rotating my forearms open at transition start down as much as i can".

Is this feeling like its resisting or pressurising (loading) the forearms and wrists AGAINST the legs/hips/shoulders moving back towards the target? Drill 5 has more of a static feel (downward . . . ), but just wondering if you're thinking of this open rotation as an oppositional loading against the downswing (giveing the right palm up look for longer)? Seeings as you've aslo mentioned tha hands don't travel much in the transition/rotation thing.

Also, if someone is swinging on a flatter plane to begin with from takeaway (doug saunders), do they appear to have less gravity drop and than say yourself or sergio . . . both of you have a later wrist set and seem to be rotating open right at the end of the backswing, where doug saunders, etc seem to be rotating open from the start).

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32523

@wabi sabi
Sure.....the poor golfer gets so excited to hit with force immediately from the top they use their hands and arms to get the club moving.... use no ground pressure at all as resistance... lose any angles immediately... and cant use their body much at all as the arms and hands are outracing everything.
The gravity drop is an over acceleration circuit breaker.... it keeps the club head up and allows the shaft to shallow some ... and allows the feet to activate and grind to provide the necessary resistance below for the pivot to function effectively.

Doug Sanders swung short and flat... and he knew the benefits of it. He had a wide base and It made him utilize ground forces to begin the club back down to the ball... it made him have to get pivot busy to create his speed and the flat entry gave him all the control in the world
He pegged it all in one.... and made a backswing that enabled all his sensations of how to move the club work. It is anything but a funky swing... It is effective and probably one of the widest golf swings ever into and thru the ball even though people said he could swing in a telephone booth.... I doubt that as he would have smashed the sides out...
He again was a high right shoulder mover post impact.... pivot work ... left side ab cruncher... a la Player, Chi Chi and a few other names I dare not mention

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32525

Awesome.

Love the left ab crunch thing. The more I feel that I can come up and level at the end, the more confident I am at getting down with the legs through the ball . . . opposite, but gives the right feeling.

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32538

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Sarazen and Jones

www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Ame...lfer/1932/ag361n.pdf

Just begging for a gif-o-matic

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32543

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ok here it is, may take a little time to load...

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32552

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Bradley Hughes wrote:
Diz
I am doing a drill ... not hitting a shot.... so the mentality and look will be slightly different.
The idea of posting those pics was to show how severe I am feeling something and how unsevere it actually looks


sorry my bad didnt know you were drilling..

Diz

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32555

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Does anyone happen to notice the position of Lee's hands ? Where is the right palm facing ?

Thank you --Gerry .

Just an observation from this amateur.


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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32557

In the FO of Hogan above you can almost feel the down in the knees, the inner thighs starting to pinch down the legs to the inside of the feet clawing at the ground as he accelerates his pivot from ground idle to afterburner. He's just getting into position to really hit it.

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32592

These pics show the difference between a hitting release (holding the shaft on alignment with right wrist still cocked and club works in unison with the chi core area))....and a swinging release (where the right wrist actually flattens out and the shaft aligns with the right shoulder)
A swinging release produces face closure at a much greater rate of knots and the clubface movement is really much more prone to pushes/blocks and hooks
The Player, Duval, Furyk, Baker-Finch (of old), Price, Hogan photos show the cut left hands angle hinge.......the face stays squarer longer and works with the rotating torso.....the two right pics are steeper shouldered stopping upper body right arm releases

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There are three main things you can do with the right arm
1) You can drive it into a straight position
2) It can be pulled straight by centrifugal force
3) You can resist the straightening and return it to address position and keep the club closer to your core

A swinger will allow the right arm to straighten by centrifugal force with dead arms and hands

A driving right arm would be used by someone with an inferior pivot action

The best most consistent ball strikers all resisted the right arm straightening...Hogan, Faldo, Demaret etc

The straightening right arm creates problems for most because the club then starts to move off plane through the strike into shoulder plane and this just spells more trouble than is necessary ....

By more or less freezing the right arm into it's same bent position...we support the club and translate the responsibility of moving the club onward into the pivot, the body and ultimately the hands gain more feel by staying more central to the core motion.....making the right arm function like spokes on a wheel and not one big moving joint through impact
Stabilizing the right arm makes the motion much much simpler because we are eliminating face roll and therefore taking timing elements out of the swing....the club stays on plane better and the head works more down the target for longer than the guys who are rolling their wrists post impact

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32597

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Bradley Hughes wrote:


There are three main things you can do with the right arm
1) You can drive it into a straight position
2) It can be pulled straight by centrifugal force
3) You can resist the straightening and return it to address position and keep the club closer to your core

A swinger will allow the right arm to straighten by centrifugal force with dead arms and hands

A driving right arm would be used by someone with an inferior pivot action



Bradley,

I believe a "swinger" can also use his hands to make a "cut" if needed. Right?

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 12 months ago #32606

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Just wanted to share with the thread that I did some equipment changes. Got my Pings bent 4 degrees flat, from 2 upright to 2 flat, hadn't hit a ball with them and went and played without warming up or anything and having not played in a few weeks. I hadn't broken 80 in about 6 months or so, but fired a "bad" 77 with 4 birdies on my home course. My miss was now only a straight pull maybe 10 to 15 yards left of the target at worst, and no duck hooks with the irons. The driver and the hybrids were still a little off and wanted to draw or push (if I hung on) a little more due to their standard lies, but I think the feeling of just swinging flatter equipment in the middle of my bag helped translate into better feels for the longer clubs that will just get better with more practice. Anyways, just wanted to give props to Bradley for showing the light about equipment through his philosophies. Nothing but gems on this thread boss. Keep it up.

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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 4 weeks ago #32668

Good stuff carson
I do like to throw pics out for people to look at to see different motions in motion
Tom Kite and Tiger here in these pics.........worth a view to try pinpoint the differences


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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 4 weeks ago #32675

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I had some fun last night experimenting on myself hitting a left handed 7i. Wanted to test my knowledge of how to hit a ball without all the prewired brain connections.

Which philosophy do you think was easier to hit the ball with, "hitting" or "swinging"?

I played baseball and hit left handed my entire life, even though I do everything else with my right hand. My dad thought, correctly, that it would be an advantage to learn to hit baseball left handed.

I couldn't swing the club or educate my hands swinging left handed. Hitting was so much easier. Pivot driven swing, soft hands, get maximum "drag" on the club. That was my only chance left handed.

I would encourage anybody who's wondering about hitting vs. swinging to go try out your non-dominant side using a golf club. It's like your whole brain is completely unwired on the other side. It helps you identify what is crucial to the swing.

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32748

Interesting kenan
I used to sometimes carry a left handed 3 wood on tour with me and smack a few balls here and there just for fun to help even up the muscles on both sides of my body.......Smacked a few good ones ....in fact even birdied the 16th at Glen Abbey left handed from back tees with a pro am partners lefty clubs in Canadian Open one year

I know exactly what you feel about the want to feel the hit when in reverse instead of having the urge to swing.. the brain and body knows where it can harness and control when confronted with that

here is Mac O'Grady in a swing sequence....swinging at it righty and lefty..... pretty good mirror image really


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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32750

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Interesting how much weaker Mac set his upper (right) hand grip when he went left handed.

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32751

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Interesting how much weaker Mac set his upper (right) hand grip when he went left handed.

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32766

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Bradley was wondering about your thoughts on the follow through. Would you prefer to see a high straighter armed finish (ala hogan). Or do you think a more classical finish with the arm against the ear is as good? (ala vardon)

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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32774

Matt
I dont see that as the end of the swing....the end of the swing is here....(see below)

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that is the end of the line for holding all the intentions in the swing.....from that point you can

* flop and drop and wrap it like Nicklaus, Hogan, The Shark

* lunge and fall over forward and walk like Chi Chi and Player

* lassoo it like a cowboy like Seve and Arnie

The final finish is just personal preference AFTER you reach the vertical holding of alignments as shown in pic above
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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32788

And I doubt anyone of those guys Hogan Norman Knudson Nicklaus or Player would be able to hold a glove or a towel under any of their armpits at that point... that is one crazy drill that just asks for a body slow down hand flip and fold

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32795

This below is one of Faldos better thoughts.....I don't really like listening to his analysis of swings on TV but what he says here is something I always try and get into a students head when we work the drills...
The golf ball becomes inconsequential....it just gets in the way of the motion.....people that are struggling at golf are still ball bound.....

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Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32810

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In looking at footage of Hogans swing it appears his lower body moves forward at the beginning of the down swing. Almost looks like he is falling forward, optical illusion, as he is allowing his upper body to stay back while he shifts his lower body forward.

You can see what I'm talking about in this video. Now he is on a downhill lie so that may contribute to the illusion in this video. I have been watching other videos, and while I know its an illusion I just want to make sure my analysis is correct as I have screwed up my weight shift and turn in the downswing that it seems I'm turning like I'm in a barrel, which is not my intent and has to be so wrong on so many levels.



Would my oversimplified analysis be close to correct?

I am studying this because I have a tendency to hit fat., and I have thrown my weight shift so out of whack I'm ready to jump off the Empire State bldg.. Part of my hitting fat, which I know to be fact is that I am allowing my hands to release to early and I am also not shifting my weight properly. I have also confused myself by rotating my forearms, maybe too much and I cannot get the club head back to square at impact.

If you rotate your forearms on the back swing, how do you come back into impact correct? Is it body rotation alone that squares the club head, or body rotation and a physical rotation of the forearms back into the ball. The latter is how I am trying to square the club head and regain some lost power. Or, Am I so F'd up I'll never play golf again?

Just kidding about never playing again. I'll never stop trying to improve!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Bradley Hughes- The Golf Swing 11 months, 3 weeks ago #32813

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In this video if you watch from 0.24 to 0.28, this illustrates what I am talking about Hogan falling forward, illusion I know, its his weight shift on this swing, but this is a feeling, proper weight shift, I am trying to regain and improve on.

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