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steven grace wrote:


Ive watched a video of Trevino giving a clinic where he gave similar advice, he said that when he wanted to hit it longer he would setup lower and then work up through impact, and then he demonstrated by hitting a shot, but when he hit the shot his head was much lower at impact than it was at address. So it might have been what he was feeling but its not what he actually did. Most guys who get taller through impact are guys who back out it and flip, and most guys that ive seen with a more pivot driven release get much lower through impact.

Nailing PV5 yesterday, played 9 holes, 7/7 Fairways, 8/9 greens, didn't putt as i was in a race with daylight



Full reveal to come soon......................

Nice Brad...... try keep a towel under those armpits LOL

Totally different swing pressures and intentions......

The guys who fold are the ones that lose arm/torso connection into impact and then speed the hands up post impact to try keep the club moving...because once connection is lost it is much easier to speed the hands up instead of trying to restart the torso again....hands go out and then club folds as they try then regain some kind of connection by keeping their armpits glued later,
These guys are more arm swingers
The guys who go straight up to finish point show the better intentions and connection and then power the pivot through with the hands firing into impact in unison with a moving body with ground connection...then once the rotation and speed are spent the arms fly up ...then we just do our own thing to a finish just like Palmer did, Hogan did, Norman did
These guys are more pivot driven hitters
Brad O has got that going on now.....just by looking at the x-ray of his finish point....tremendous work that shows very much what is going on into and post impact

This video is worth a watch....Faldo explains the move of transition...watch what he does ..DOWN the right leg.. then he talks about rotating turning motoring the chest AFTER he has hit the ball
The greats know....whether they can explain it well or not....watch and listen to the feels....One of the best controllers of the golf ball ever.

There was another Faldo video linked through that one I posted which I wanted to make a point about

IF you need all this stuff drawn all over the screen then you can pretty much forget about having much understanding of what is making the swing work.....that is just trying to baffle someone with science and as useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle

Good old Wayne DeFrancesco, just loves his lines! Funny thing now he is charging a fee for full access to his video analysis of other players, amazing what some people will pay for

Bradley, this is very reminiscent of Mike Maves' the move video, if you pressure the ball of the foot down then you've established a good leverage point.






Bradley Hughes wrote:

another great video posted on Gotham Golf Blog and its Lee Trevino swing video and i'm sure people here seen plenty of those but there is a fragment somewhere not far from the start where he talks about his feel for it. this is continuation of the theme brought up earlier and i really liked that Nick Faldo video btw.

Thanks Anton....all those videos of Trevino were stuff I have on file and sent on to Ralph to put that together.

See sequence below:





Align to your swing, don't have to aim straight
Take it back with your own feel that will help you to find your slot
Transition down into knee flex to save torso rotation and to find the slot
Turn into impact to keep speed ....arms are the spokes that support and move in unison
Shaft stays pinned on plane through impact
Shaft steepens and flies upward to finish

Trevino didn't hit the ball as far as others in his era because of his open stance he couldn't really crank his torso to really power it.... but he displayed all the right stuff to control the ball at will...and accuracy and distance control was more important than distance back then
He beat Nicklaus just about every time they went head to head in a playoff or down the stretch of events... why?..... because Jack was more upright and steep and with the wedges Trevino could eat him up with the shallower more stable motion..... Trevino didn't care, he would hit first to the green and just keep stuffing them

personally i found those old sevam1 videos are totally worth re-watching from perspective brought by information on this thread etc. people kinda forgot about them and moved on to the next hot thing but its really like a rendition of an old christian song or something, everyone has their own version of it but the song remains the same.

Brad wrote:

FURYK.....Watch the clubface......it stays pointing to target for as long as anyone....no roll over.... clubhead climbing the rainbow upwards to finish

This is what Moe Norman showed in all his videos on the other side of impact....this was his feel that the face never rolled over......his downswing feel remind us of anything

i would like to know your thoughts on the upper body on the downswing.

i feel as though i try to hit the ball so much with my lower body and hold the leverage so much that i forget to move my upper body. Could this be causing my back pain?

Bradley, haven't had time to read your whole thread, but would like to ask you a question. Would you say Hunter Mayhan has text book hand action/forearm rotation? I have no knowledge of what Foley teaches, but I admire Hunter swing and notice the the Slomo drills he does. So I was messing around with it and had a lot of succes hitting the ball this way. It seems the way to master this action is to hit chip shots, because when you don't do it correctly the results can be dramatic (fat,thin). Another thing I noticed was how little the hands move compared to the club head. Then it dawned on me, this is pretty much what Hogan was describing when he describes the drill in 5 fund. Where he pins the arms to the chest and swings.

Bradley,

Nice post regarding the inane line drawing fetish some people have!
Do you ever worry that you have revealed too much for free here?
Great thread if one pays attention lots of gold nuggets that work!

jason wrote:


Yes....moving one part of the body in one direction and another part is not flowing with it....there got to be pressure put on a part of the body.
Downswing (upper body)....prefer for the torso to be saved for use later on.....it's not that tricky... watch the Faldo video above.....big clues right in there

JASON RICHARDSON wrote:


Mahan has a good action....nice and around and around. Funny how it is nothing like Tiger or Rose.... which is interesting seeing they are all from the same coach. I think he hasn't done much with Mahan at all...just pats him on the back to keep the confidence up. Mahan has swung very similar for as long as I can remember....played with him in 2005 and doesn't look dis similar at all
I think Mahan's good technique shows up nicely when he gets in contention down the stretch....his swing normally holds up well and he gets the win.....

Steve P wrote:


Thanks Steve
I don't worry too much. Information is out there regarding everything...it is how one digests it and utilizes it... just like the forearm debate.....I could show you in person that what I am saying is actuality, but hard to describe in words over the internet....and people are adamant it doesn't occur because they are caught up in the pivot or the hands....and not what makes both of these work and work in unison to promote control and power....etc etc

Knowing what to do...knowing how to do...and actually doing are all different beasts but I believe I have helped some people get a view at things on here with the words and pictures I have posted

Max Lynch wrote:


Your first 4 posts in 4 different threads all about D-Plane, take it elsewhere troll

I know many people look at last weeks Scottish Open winner Jeev Milka Singh as having a weird action... so instead of worrying about the weird look....worry about what he does right





shallowing of the shaft down quite perpendicular to his spine angle.....430 shaft entry running up the elbow.......clubface open (neutral).......right elbow/hands stay quite close to the torso at impact..... pivot works post impact with level rotating shoulders pulling the club around and up.... with no shaft arm throw out....
it is technically very sound and he keeps proving that by competing at a high level and winning events even with this 'quirky' looking swing when viewed at full speed

Good point....I actually sent my cousin a text message during the actual play-off and I said "How the **** does Singh play pro golf with that slash of a swing".

He wouldn't look out of place in a Zorro movie, makes me look like a bit of fool I guess!!

ZM.

Bradley Hughes wrote:


Haha, I think you're right about that. Thanks for your quick response. One last question that I bounce back and forth on is the stance. What are you're views on the set up k or reverse k. There is an old pro at memorial park in Houston that has worked with Venturi back in the day, his name is Ron Sathoff, he believes the reverse k is the way to go and how Hogan did it. It is how I feel most comfortable, I try to set up in the k stance, but I can counterbalance the club and hit a nasty pull alot, but it does guarantee solid contact, on the other hand when I get in the groove on the driving range inevitably I will find myself in the reverse k at address and hit it good from there, but too shallow comes into play. What are your views on this? Thanks

Jeev was amazing ball striker in college too..

In Looking at the photos of Jeev Milkah Singh. I thought the right elbow should be more in front of the right hip.

I have to be confused about something....

I watched him knock it close and sink the putt in the playoff and win.... And he does that time and time again when he has the chance.

Dude is a player!

And he obviously does a lot right.

Kosits' head would probbaly would explode trying to explain Jeev's swing on the Minolta biz hub swing vision thing!

And another thing....

Who does not enjoy the European Golf Tour announcers on T.V.?

And to think we here in the states have to put up with the American broadcast team for the Open Championship. Makes me want to move to Australia.