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Rock wrote:


Hey Rock,
can you make your foot roll in bare feet?

Parks

Rock,
First, why would you like to keep the rear heel down at impact ? E.g. Hogan did not do it. IMO, there is time the rear heel stays on the ground and there is time it loses contact with the ground unless there is a conscious pushing down via the rear side. The best would be if Elk could chime in and just describe his feels about it. What I can see in his swing is that his rear knee sort of collapses down (as he wanted to add more power) and the result is rolling the entire foot down without losing contact with the ground.
Now, if you're unable to roll the foot inwards (which is independent issue of keeping the heel on the ground) IMO either your rear hip joint motion is incorrect (usually because footwork is incorrect, bad positioning of feet, no presets, too late pelvic CoG shift, etc.) or your rotational RoM in both knee and especially ankle joints is limited and below average (pay attention to Park's post).

Cheers





Here you are, mate:

biokineticgolfswing.blogspot.com/2010/04...ncept-part_8702.html

Cheers

While you are at it, what is going on during the "squat" or "compression" move. One thing my brain is not digesting is the head drop during the swing without burying the club into the ground. If one part of the body is lowering what else is happening to create space that prevents the club from becoming a shovel? Can you answer this very simply on a macroscale or is the golf swing "not simple"? I happen to think that genius and simplicity are "just like peas and carrots". Macro please, call me Gump. What is the big concept?? Thanks

nextlevel wrote:


HOGAN SQUATS ON THE LEFT LEG OR SITS. ITS NOT A HEAD DROP AS MUCH AS IT IS A LOWER SPINE MOVEMENT TO THE LEFT.NOW YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE HE STARTS. ANOTHER TOPIC. THE LOWER SPINE CAN ALSO MOVE AWAY FROM THE BALL WHICH WILL APPEAR AS A SQUAT BUT ITS ALSO THE ELONGATION OF OUR TRUNK AND FOR ME THE FEEL IS THE ELONGATION SLIGHTLY OF THE SAGITAL PLANE IN FRONT AND SPINE IN BACK.

THE REASON YOU ARE AFFRAID OF THE SHOVEL IS BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT GETS THE FACE OUT OF THE DIRT. IF WE SQUAT THEN WHERE DO WE GO FROM IMPACT. WHEN YOU SHOVEL A BALL 3 FEET IN FRONT OF YOU THE SOLE BOUNCES AND THE CLUB WILL TRAVEL THROUGH AS LONG AS WE USE THE RIGHT SIDE AND NOT PULL WITH THE LEFT. PUSH THE RIGHT SIDE THROUGH.

SIMPLY IF YOU SQUAT OR SIT ON YOUR LEFT LEG AT THE TOP THEN WHEN YOU UNSQUAT OR GET TALLER YOUR ELBOWS ARMS AND HANDS GO INTO A CENTRIUTAL ACCELERATION THAT YOU CANNOT STOP.

parks wrote:

Parks,
Yes, I can do it all day long in bare feet. The shoes have roll support and they literally will not roll very easily. If I roll my foot to the inside, it feels like my right knee is going to buckle/strain with the DryJoys on so I have not been willing to try that at full speeds when I am working on executing Leecommotion. You need a great bite on the ground to get the transition, then your ankle must roll. I am not sure playing in barefoot is going to work to get the power I am looking for...every ounce of power that I have into the ball and hit it a laser beam. I used to play in barefoot as a kid and also played in sneakers until I was about 18. My first golf shoes were FootJoys with metal spikes that I didn't like because when I played 63 holes per day with my brother during the summer it felt like I had spikes embedded into my feet afterwards. I would only use golf shoes when I played in tournaments. Sneakers were much better. With the invention of plastic spikes, there is a compromise between walking comfortably and the great traction that metal spikes afford in transition and to keep your left foot glued to the ground through impact.
Thanks,
Rock

Rock wrote:


Well Rock it's one of a couple of possiblities.

1.) The shoes are the problem.
2.) Like Sam Snead when your in bare feet you can't overswing, therefore you are in the correct position to roll.
3.) In shoes you are getting too much grip on the outside of the shoe up near the pinky toe. With lesser grip in the heel. So the heel lift's first.

I don't know the answer, but if you make a full bloodied swing in shoes with the complete outside edge off the ground and you roll with ease. Then it can only be being to far over the outer edge. If your golf shoe has a big arch support inside, not only could they prevent you from rolling; but they may cause you to roll outwards in the backswing. Can you remove the insoles and put some flat ones in for a test?

Parks

Check these out Rock. Not cheap, but AWESOME. If we can't wear real spikes, we might as well be comfortable. Worn them for a few weeks, even at work. They seem to put the weight in the heel, which I like when swing. I think you may roll easier in these due to the Roll/Post toe. I seem to. I always walk when I play, unless they force me not to. I also suffer from planter fasciitis in my left arch. These things are truly AWESOME. I've already asked the bride for another pair for Christmas, and mine are only three weeks old! Maybe Parks can buy you a pair and hit golf balls at a regular range instead of the Colosseum for a bit!

www.truelinkswear.com/








Rock wrote:

Rock wrote:



why would you want to roll the ankle in the through swing Rock. What do you feel the importance of the motion is. You have to put a value to the motion is it a suporting Motion or is it a DRIVING or Enforcing motion before you decide wether or not you need it. If the right arm is bent on the through as it passes the foot heel flys up.if you are trying to HIT THE GOLFBALL WITH A STRAIGHT RIGHT ARM REAR FOOT ROLLS PERFECT AND STAYS PLANTED. PUSH MOTION. ITS IN THEIR FINISHES WHY THE FOOT DOES WHAT THEY DO. LET THE FACE ROLL AND FOOT STAYS DOWN, HOLD OR BLOCK IT AND FOOT COMES UP. GUIDE IT VS TRUST IT. BOTH ARE GREAT WAYS TO HIT IT AND BOTH REQUIRE BELIEVEING IN.


WHATEVER THE LEFT ARM DOES THE RIGHT LEG DOES AND VISE VERSA.


NOW THAT I HAVE YOU CONFUSED THE ANSWER TO WHAT IS THE KEY TO CONTROLING TOSE THINGS WHAT IS THE PIN POINT SOURCE.

WATCH ALL THREE OF THEIR THROATS OR TOP OF SPINE HOWEVER YOU SEE IT.

FIRST 2 THROATS HAVE ALOT OF MOTION THEREFORE THEIR SPINE TILT ALOT. ELKS THROAT NEVER LEAVES THE TOP OF THE BALL AND GOES RIGHT IF IT DOES IS ABOT A MILIMETER. LOWER SPINE MOVES LEFT FROM GO. CONTROL YOUR LOWER SPINE AND YOU CONTROL THE THROAT. THAT IS THE THING EVERY HUMAN SWINGS AROUND THE HAS TWO ARMS AND TWO HANDS AND TWO FEET.

ALL AWESOME BALLSTRIKERS. ONES A MAJOR CHAMPION FOR A REASON.

THROAT THROAT THROAT........THINK ABOUT IT STABALIZE THAT.

H. Bogan wrote:
[quote]Check these out Rock. Not cheap, but AWESOME. If we can't wear real spikes, we might as well be comfortable. Worn them for a few weeks, even at work. They seem to put the weight in the heel, which I like when swing. I think you may roll easier in these due to the Roll/Post toe. I seem to. I always walk when I play, unless they force me not to. I also suffer from planter fasciitis in my left arch. These things are truly AWESOME. I've already asked the bride for another pair for Christmas, and mine are only three weeks old! Maybe Parks can buy you a pair and hit golf balls at a regular range instead of the Colosseum for a bit!

www.truelinkswear.com/


Henny,
These are sweet. Parks and I will look very metrosexual with these babies on. Yes, my right foot can rock and roll with the trues on.
Parks,
I want the white on white pair to match the pink shirt and white pants I am planning to wear to get into your head...you don't want to get beat by someone dressed like that do you. I like these true shoes better than the ski boots that OneJbird wanted me to wear. Lee is saying I need to keep the neck still so maybe I'll buy a neck brace and pull that and the ski boots out on the first tee to get some mojo working.
Thanks,
Rock

Rock wrote:
[quote]H. Bogan wrote:


Holy Crap!!!!
I'm getting worried, given Henny's comment above may be I should were a Toga and Sandals.

Hey Henny,
do these shoes feel like those Nike barefoot shoes? I thought nike might bring a pair of golf one's out but they never did.

WATCH ALL THREE OF THEIR THROATS OR TOP OF SPINE HOWEVER YOU SEE IT.

FIRST 2 THROATS HAVE ALOT OF MOTION THEREFORE THEIR SPINE TILT ALOT. ELKS THROAT NEVER LEAVES THE TOP OF THE BALL AND GOES RIGHT IF IT DOES IS ABOT A MILIMETER. LOWER SPINE MOVES LEFT FROM GO. CONTROL YOUR LOWER SPINE AND YOU CONTROL THE THROAT. THAT IS THE THING EVERY HUMAN SWINGS AROUND THE HAS TWO ARMS AND TWO HANDS AND TWO FEET.

ALL AWESOME BALLSTRIKERS. ONES A MAJOR CHAMPION FOR A REASON.

THROAT THROAT THROAT........THINK ABOUT IT STABALIZE THAT.[/quote]

Lee,
Yes, I can see what you are talking about. My throat is moving around a lot and my lower spine goes right before it starts heading left. Wouldn't have thought the throat and lower spine would effect my right heel. I'll give that a try.
Thanks,
Rock

Mike sets up the best through his stance to let the lower body perform how it naturally is designed. He moves too much right off the ball at first making it appear he moves left more than if he would have if he just moved left off of the ball. Being mike gets deep and left with the hips this lets him keep a better spine angle from the top to the finish and allow better balance too. This is all a reaction from the diaganol stance. The throat will stay in the same place and maybe only drop due the cog being deeper and more target ward which if it is as far as it will go in these two directions will force the hips into rotation and the feet,knees, hips finding their limits in that order creating natural reactions which will lead to the left shoulder being pulled up and around. Keeping the spine angle and letting natural reactions take place will result in a right heel in contact with the ground until the right hip pulls the right heel off the ground due to right hip in ccw rotation to pull it from where it started. Once again without a diaganol stance things will be totally different due to compensations the body will have to make to deliver a square clubhead and one to keep his balance through the swing.

I have never worn the Nike Free Parks, if that's what your referring to. I have worn the Vibram Five Fingers for a few years though, and they are very different.

H. Bogan wrote:


Yep Nike Free's where the one's, I have the standard sneakers and they are good.

Going off what Rock wrote above I think I will where a pair of army boot's. Nothing less metro than army boots

parks wrote:


I was thinking the ideal golf shoes would be some high top Trues that looked like army boots. It would stabilize your ankles and you would look like you were in a battle out on the course. I think I should patent the idea. When I was a kid, I would play in my white high top Chucky T Converse Sneakers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Taylor_All-Stars and then head to the basketball court without having to change shoes.

Thanks,
Rock

THE PERFECT SHOE FOR YOUR LIFE AND ANY SPORT YOU WANT TO PLAY.


YOU GUYS ARE REALLY STARTING TO EXCITE ME CAUSE YOU ARE THINK NATURALLY NOW.

Leecom wrote:


Don't forget the Natrural clothing to go with them





Parks

parks wrote:


WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IM TOO HAIRY.

THE BENEFITS

FROM THEIR SITE..

6 Reasons to Wear Vibram FiveFingers:

1. Strengthens Muscles in the Feet and Lower Legs - wearing FiveFingers will stimulate and strengthen muscles in the feet and lower legs, improving general foot health and reducing the risk of injury.

2. Improves Range of Motion in Ankles, Feet and Toes – no longer ‘cast’ in a shoe, the foot and toes move more naturally.

3. Stimulates Neural Function Important to Balance and Agility - when wearing Vibram FiveFingers, thousands of neurological receptors in the feet send valuable information to the brain, improving balance and agility.

4. Improves Proprioception and Body Awareness – those same neurological receptors heighten body awareness, sending messages about body mechanics, form, and movement.

5. Eliminates Heel Lift to Align the Spine and Improve Posture – By lowering the heel, our bodyweight becomes evenly distributed across the footbed, promoting proper posture and spine alignment.

6. Allows the Foot and Body to Move Naturally, Which Just FEELS GOOD.

Leecom wrote:


Lee, I have worn mine for about two years now, mostly when I run less then five miles. I love them. I have often wanted to play golf in them, but didn't want to hear all the questions and ribbing. My bad. I have the "Sprint" model. I must tell you though, these new shoes from www.TRUElinkswear.com are AWESOME! Try them if you get a chance.

This would be a mistake since the RoM of ankle joints importance is often very underrated.




A very good post. What happens with the rear heel is a co-function of what happens with the rear hip joint. That's why it is very easily to predict the mistakes in the swing motion kinetics observing motion of both feet.

Cheers

Hogan does a perfect job of keeping the inside of the right foot on the ground because he lets the right knee bend to keep the hips closer to the plane of the shoulders and thus keeping a much stronger and less stressed spine. Much easier to work the club perpendicular around the spine when it holds a better axis.

I might add that if one uses his right foot in accordance to natural human biological progamming the heel can lift without the hip pulling it around. The pinky toe pressures against the ground and then in succesion transfers the ccw downforce toe by toe until it reaches the big toe and then the ball of the foot or pressure point which is the last to finalize the torque generated thrust which all the while the heel will be lifting and going target wise too. There is a reason our toes are not the same length.

supercharger wrote:



Now that I can understand, having made all my videos in flip flops. It wasn't because they were comfortable, it was because I wanted to see what they were doing.

You have given light to the cause of what effects I saw. I never was able to explain or research any further than that .

I have speculated that Hogan had some sort of ledge, if you will, built into his right shoe near the ball of the foot and instep, since the toes slide in shoes as they search for traction. i know that is a stretch, but I have hit balls with a small flat piece of wood that my right foot was able to push off of. Interesting to say the least.

Good job, love the insight.

By the way, this thread has been a huge source of data. I appreciate DariuzJ. for his hard work and willingness to share. Thanks supercharger and DariuszJ.

Mark

Lee, I have worn mine for about two years now, mostly when I run less then five miles. I love them. I have often wanted to play golf in them, but didn't want to hear all the questions and ribbing. My bad. I have the "Sprint" model. I must tell you though, these new shoes from www.TRUElinkswear.com are AWESOME! Try them if you get a chance.[/quote]

Hey Henny,
the five toes shoes, do they spread your toes, as you know I have battered hairy Hobit feet and my Left Big Toe point's NNW. Do you think these suckers would help straighten it up?

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