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The place to position yourself or the student relative to the pole is with it in line with the hands.....a fraction further away with the right hip than the length of the club you are using.

I will get people set up that way and it will amaze them that when they try to take the club straight back the club will often miss the pole inside it. If you take the hands directly in....so as to almost brush the right hip, you hit the wall everytime in a consistent way....provided you do not try to act to move the clubhead back with the wrists.

This gets the IN of the swing taken care of very quickly, and I see this in many good and great ball strikers. The exceptions being Lee Trevino and Jim Furyk, who get the up part taken care of quickly, then spend the rest of the backswing resisting the IN.

The golf swing must go in and up, down and out then in and up again.

To manage the rate of these things, and to understand how you do that is the key to repeating the motion, and the key to putting variations into the motion to hit different flights.

Martin,

A lightbulb went on when you grabbed my club that day and tried to move my hands inside and they were stopped cold by the wall. Any sufficently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Should the cupping action with the wrists be well under way by the time the arms hit the wall?

And from the wall, how does one go about creating more room for arm motion?

Should one toss the club behind them upon reaching the wall or will the momentum of the club head take over from there?

I have mastered the "shovel" move and it works like a charm. When I tried the wall I was having a hard time getting back to impact (fat shot). It felt like the club was getting stuck again and I just got over that with the shovel. Any thoughts as to why this would be?

jbird,

My first suspicion would be that you are not keeping your right shoulder high (higher than high) throughout the swing. That is the normal culprit for my fat shots.

This entails not only the right shoulder but the entire right side. Create and maintain a lot of space between your right shoulder and hip. See how that works.

Good point PD.

Other potential problems could be that you're not really hitting that wall with no roll out, because if you were, you wouldn't get stuck.

Never thought about keeping the right shoulder up. The only thing is that I was watching a Moe video yesterday where he specifically says he wants as much space between his right ear and right shoulder. Thats how you flatten the shaft out on the through swing.

You have any video jbird?

I do. Let me figure out how to load it up.

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Pivot,
Went out to the range today and focused on keeping the right shoulder up through impact and it worked beautifully. When I would hit some really good iron shots I could really feel it move more around than under. Thanks for the great advice. On the backswing I was really taking it in hard, but keeping the club outside the hands until about hip high. I shot my first video the other day (tried to post it unsuccessfully) and noticed my club was being taken outside on the back swing. I think this came from trying to transfer the "shovel" move over to full shots. Anyway, found the power slot again today and I was pressing the ball really good. Thanks for the good advice.

jbird,

You are welcome. One of the great things about the thoughts Martin has been so generous with is that enough guys have experience working through his stuff that whatever the issue is, someone has already been there and worked through it. Keep at it!

Yes exactly, I was watching some of his students whom have recently posted vid.s, and I can pick-up little things that they are working on just by watching their little tweaks before they swing. I have never been helped so tremendously in such a short period of time, and the great thing is that I am starting to really understand the chain reaction of events that bring the whole swing together. Me being a feel player, Martin speaks in terms of how the action should feel, and not just only where you should be. This in my opinion makes him a teacher of rock star status, and I have never met or had a formal lesson with the man. You look at his students and see the same movements and same results. It's not magic its pure genius. I have no stake in his organization or any reason to hype him, I just do it out of my own pure excitement of what I am experiencing. I haven't been this drawn to the game in a long time, and this new found ability to hit incredible golf shots, just makes me want to go play anytime I can. It also makes me want to learn more and keep my mind open before I reject things that I think are not accurate.

I had the pleasure to meet and work with Martin last April. The "wall" was my first "lightbulb" moment. After performing most of the short swing shots over and over until I had to cut the callouses from my hands (they looked like little volcanoes!) the mechanical motions of the swing are now gone and it is only dynamic motion that I feel. Once you get to a certain phase (past the mechanics) this method is really "simple" to perform and so repeatable. Burley and Mike have much of this down as well and it's great seeing parts of it in their methods.

Cheers to those who have taken to these methods and found their own success! Look forward to future discussions.

Bob

I have found this video very helpful. In fact I have struggled for years of taking the clubhead inside and then swinging over the top. The concept of swinging the grip end inside against resistance works for me. I have hit balls 3 times and my ballstriking is more consistent. This concept works for me despite the factand I do not know all of Martin's swing philosophy's. I have tried this drill and the shovel pitch and both work extremely well. I am going to watch all of his video's this week and try to incorporate as much as possible

Martin a big thank for sharing this information. I would encourage anyone looking to improve their game to try these suggestions

Bill

Is there a link to the Wall Video?

Think this is it mate:



Paul